Lez Say More Podcast
Welcome to Lez Say More: the podcast where your favorite duo of best friends—together for over 20 years—gets real about the queer community. Join us every Wednesday as we dive into everything from health and wellness, to fashion, relationships, sex - and even the occasional celebrity gossip. With our trademark humor and brutal honesty, we’re here to share stories, laughs, and insights about the (queer) modern life and all the fabulousness it has to offer. Whether you're part of the community or just curious, grab your favorite drink and join the conversation—because we promise to keep it funny, relatable, and absolutely unfiltered!
Lez Say More Podcast
Navigating Friendships: The Breakup Dilemma
Our latest discussion dives deep into the often unspoken world of friendship breakups. It's a tough topic, but we believe it's essential to explore. Solange and Ava share their personal stories while offering listeners insights on how to recognize when a friendship is no longer serving you.
• Understanding the emotional impact of friendship breakups
• Signs it might be time to let go of a friend
• Personal experiences of breaking up with friends
• The importance of communication and mutual respect in friendships
• Navigating friendships with different lifestyles and values
• Strategies for maintaining healthy friendships
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Yeah, I would definitely say that you and I have gotten closer since doing the podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you forced me to see you all the time.
Speaker 1:And I am grateful for that, but I definitely think that doing activities with your friends on a weekly basis, like whatever that may be. Hey guys, welcome back to the let's Say More podcast. I am Solange, I'm Ava and we just realized we didn't hit record. So we have been chatting for quite some time.
Speaker 2:Isn't this the second time we've done this where we haven't hit record? Oh my God, did we not hit record on one episode?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we had to use, like, the audio from the. It was one of the first ones. Now we're like on episode 24. So really we don't really have an excuse, other than I just didn't hit record. You're closer to the button.
Speaker 1:Make sure the button's red. So launch, make sure the button's red. Anyway, on today's episode, we're going to talk about friendships and Breaking up. Breaking up with your friends yes. When to do it, how to do it and what justifies it. Justifies a friendship breakup yeah. So let's get into it. Oh, and we're also going to do some Q and A's at the end. Yes, that you guys left us. Yes, All right. So have you ever had to break up with a friend? Yes, have you ever been broken?
Speaker 2:up with.
Speaker 1:Yes, and how did that go for you, boo?
Speaker 2:Well, sad Two of them. I was really close with them and then they just stopped talking to me. Oh, and I'm a person that like looks at what I've done and I'm like, okay, well, I could see that I did this and you know, but with these two I don't know why I still to this day, don't know why.
Speaker 1:Do you think that were they like friends with, like one of your exes, and they just chose?
Speaker 2:No, oh no, I don't. I really don't know why. Maybe they outgrew me. I mean, did you ever ask? Yeah, I've asked.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:I never got a response. And it's not. They aren't people where, like I dated.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It wasn't even.
Speaker 1:Like you can't even think of like dating.
Speaker 2:It wasn't even anything like that where, like, I dated a friend of theirs or their partner liked me. It was never. I was never put in a situation like that with them, yeah. So I don't know why, but I've broken up with friends. How did you do it? I just pulled away. You didn't give them a reason. No, I mean, I just outgrew the friendship. I mean, I think, just because you've known someone for so long, if the friendship isn't serving you anymore, if you've kind of outgrown them, you've gone this way and they are still stuck in the same crap that they do and you're over that phase, it's time to move on. I think sometimes people stick with friendships because of how long they've known someone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I also think people stick in friendships because you have this one thing in common. Yeah, for example, like friends that drink together and they always drink together, and then you don't do anything else but drink together, and then one friend becomes sober. Yeah, that's hard. And then you're like what are we going to do? What?
Speaker 2:are we going to do? Just kidding For all those that are sober and hiking?
Speaker 1:But I think about that because I know people that have become sober and they kind of lose their friendships.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's good for them, because then they're, yeah, but they're not serving them. Right, right, exactly Right. So I think outgrowing friendships is a common thing. I think it can hurt just as much as maybe breaking up. Maybe, depending on how deep the friendship was, maybe even more. But, yeah, I do think it's a very common thing have you. I think it's a healthy thing too. It could be healthy, yeah, because you're growing. I think any breakup could potentially be healthy because it doesn't serve you anymore, true, so you're shedding what doesn't work for you anymore, unless you really fucked up and you lost it all because you fucked up, yeah, but then you're shedding the thing that made you fuck up kind of I guess, maybe just saying I don't know devil's advocate have you?
Speaker 2:have you, uh, broken up with a friend?
Speaker 1:I have. I've broken up with a few friends, most of them because they betrayed me. Um, you know, like ff, whom we've talked about on this podcast a couple of times, the shortest lived friendship yeah, she betrayed me with two ex-girlfriends so that was nipped in the bud. Yeah, I said bye-bye to that friendship. Other friendships that I've had that, you know, just kind of it wasn't necessarily a breakup, but it was more like we just outgrew each other, like we kind of just went our own ways.
Speaker 1:Um, there are other I've had other friendships where we haven't necessarily, I don't know, it was just random, we just stopped talking. Yeah, you know, it's like you just from almost like I think it was like something happened between them and another friend and it's almost like you picked a side, silently, silently, silently picked a side and then you just stopped talking to that person. But, yeah, I've had, I've had friendships in that way, like kind of just thinking about like where I want my friendships to go and who I want to keep in my life and who I want to like keep serve, like filling my cup with Right, if you are not giving me the same amount of love that I give you, or that if you are not somebody that I feel like I can trust. That is a huge thing for me, obviously, because I've had a lot of friends betray me. I don't want to be friends with people who don't think of me highly, right.
Speaker 1:Right think of me highly, right. Right like, if I think of you in a high regard, I'm gonna speak of you in a high regard and I'm not gonna question your character or who. You are right, and I think that if you start questioning your friends, characters and who they are as people, then maybe it's time to let that friendship go. Yeah, because I don't think that that is a healthy thing. I also think that there are times where people just grow because you're different. Like you have children and people who have children tend to want to be around other people with children, you know, and then you become the friend that didn't have kids and you're kind of just in the background like auntie, hey, kids, but yeah, like, I just think it's I don't know. I think it's a difficult thing to do to have to say goodbye to a dear friend because you've met that threshold. I think that is harder than having a blowout fight with someone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree with you, because at least a blowout fight, you have something to base it off of.
Speaker 1:Right. I think that people don't talk about how difficult it is to break up with friends. They only talk about relationship, romantic relationships, yeah, and how those friendships I mean how those relationships end and the heartbreak. But people don't talk about friendships and also having the conversation about like hey, you're not filling my cup, right, you know?
Speaker 2:like I think it's important to communicate with your friend and say, like hey, like I'm not getting these sorts of things from you, because maybe sometimes people aren't aware of what they're lacking. Yeah, the same way you would have to communicate to your partner, I think, is the same way you would have to communicate to your friend yeah, and if they care to make it work, then they're going to. You know, yeah, put in the effort, but like clock in, clock in, clocking in. But everyone does get busy and sometimes friends are forgotten about.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because the relationship does come first, you know, depending on how serious the relationship is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would definitely say that you and I have gotten closer since doing the podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you forced me to see you all the time.
Speaker 1:And I am grateful for that. But I definitely think that doing activities with your friends on a weekly basis, like whatever that may be, definitely helps keep the friendship closer and more connected, especially when you have friends that maybe you don't necessarily have other things in common with. Yeah, you know, you always have like different groups of friends or different friends that do different things, but I definitely think doing something with your friend every so often- is yeah, it's nice, yeah, it's nice to reconnect that way.
Speaker 2:I agree with you.
Speaker 1:Do you think that it is fair to get upset if you have, like, a group of friends but only two or three of them hang out together all the time and you're not invited? Yeah, like you think it's fair for the other person to feel left out and you're not invited?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you think it's fair for the other person to feel left out. Yes, yes, but depends on okay. So I've been in situations where it's not done on purpose, like me, and a friend will go like it'll be spontaneous, we'll be talking about something and we'll say are you hungry? I'm hungry too, let's go eat, or something. And then another friend might go like it'll be spontaneous, we'll we'll be talking about something and we'll say are you hungry? I'm hungry too, let's go eat, or something. And then another friend might be like well, how come I wasn't invited? But it wasn't like don't invite her. Yeah, you know, and I think sometimes people get hurt because they feel like you, you didn't. Why wasn't I invited? Because I, I have I don't think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have too I still do. But I don't think it's because I feel like, why wasn't I invited? Like, like, intentionally did not think of me. I think it's for me. I think it's more like you didn't think to invite me and you were down the street from my house. Yeah, you've gotten mad at me for that. You know like you're, you're down the street and you didn't think I. Even. Even if I say no, the invitation is appreciated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you told me that before and I said, well, so long as you never come. And you said I just want to be invited so I could say no, yeah, and I said okay, and then, you know, and then that helped me understand you more. And then I explained my side too and I said well, you know, sometimes it's like I'm not inviting you to be like malicious towards you, you know, it's just because sometimes, like it's like it just happens. But I do know that people want to be thought of, because like there are times where, like I see people out and I'm like why wasn't I invited? You know, like I feel the same thing. So, yeah, I think it's fair to have that feeling.
Speaker 1:And I think it's healthy also to do what we did, which is to tell each other like, hey, why didn't you?
Speaker 2:invite me. Yeah, I think it's fair. So what would you do if, like your friend, was lying about their relationship? Do you think it's justifiable to lie about a relationship?
Speaker 1:Like to end the friendship or to just be upset about it.
Speaker 2:I'm with someone. We're friends. I don't tell you about the someone.
Speaker 1:I think that you should let the person give you their perspective and their reasoning for not telling you why they like for not telling you that they were in a relationship. I think sometimes people either don't tell their friends that they're in a relationship because they want to either, like, see if this is going to go anywhere, or you know they're not sure about the person, or they don't tell their friends about you because they probably don't want to be judged. Or the situation might be one where it can be a little tricky and maybe the friends are not exactly going to be welcoming of this person in your life, or you don't trust your friend, like you always have. A friend that you know likes to cheese miad and is a little bit more of the schmoozy kind. So maybe you don't want to tell that friend because you think my news doesn't need to make it to the village yet.
Speaker 2:Okay, so then don't tell that friend. But what if it's a friend that like a best friend, yeah, and you don't tell them? And then they find out another way and they're hurt by that, because now now they're questioning what kind of friend they are to you.
Speaker 1:I think it's justifiable to be upset. But I do think that you should hear the other person out and hear their reasoning for not telling you and then make your judgment decision. Like I think that if the person came, if that friend came up to me and said you know, I was scared to tell you because this person is so-and-so and I didn't want to be judged and I didn't know how you would react is so-and-so and I didn't want to be judged and I didn't know how you would react. And you know, I just it's a really sensitive thing and I just I was afraid to say something and I'm really sorry. I never wanted you to feel X, y and Z. I just didn't know how to approach you. I would be hurt, but I would also be empathetic for them and kind of understand that maybe they're in a tough place too.
Speaker 2:Okay, but then, on the other hand, what if they think well, if you were afraid of being judged, then maybe you shouldn't have been doing it. And why didn't you tell me? Because I wouldn't have judged you, because we're friends for a reason, not because I judge you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you know, people always have their own insecurities and thoughts and maybe they're also guilt. Maybe there's guilt under that, you know, because I don't know. Maybe you feel guilty for it, or maybe it's not even feeling guilty about it. Maybe you're just not in a place where you want your business out, regardless of whether it's your best friend or your you know family members or whomever you know.
Speaker 1:Sometimes people are just really private, but if this is a friend who tells you everything and is always 100% honest with you and you know everything about them, and this is something that they are withholding. Yeah, I would be a little PO'd, okay, so then it's justified. I would justify it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Fair enough.
Speaker 1:But I would say, hear them out. Everybody has a reasoning for what they do and what they say.
Speaker 2:That is true.
Speaker 1:So sometimes they're just assholes, and other times it's true, and other times you know it comes from a place of insecurity, or I mean, I think if you're an asshole it's coming from a place of insecurity either way. But you know, yeah, you got some Q and A questions for me, uh, from our Instagram feed.
Speaker 2:Okay, turning straight girls out, do you think that's a possibility? Yeah, I've done it, but they stayed gay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, some have stayed gay, some have not. Listen. I always say do not underestimate the power of a lesbian.
Speaker 1:I think, that it is definitely. I think women are much more fluid and it is inevitable that a woman at some point in their life will find another woman attractive. In their life will find another woman attractive. I think that you will. Oh, like I think that it is inevitable that at some point in your life you will find another queer person attractive, whether that is like somebody that you would hook up with, make out with or have a full blown relationship with Okay, do you agree? Blown relationship with? Okay, do you agree?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1:You don't agree. I don't know if I agree or disagree, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think that it's necessarily like turning them out, like I'm not actively like thinking that people are going to be actively out there. You know, I'm sure there are people like lesbians out there that are actively looking for straight women To turn out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's a thing. I think that's like a thing. Yeah, it's like a fetish. I do think women find other women attractive and I think maybe once in their lifetime they may look at someone and be like I could kiss her. I don't know if they necessarily look at her and think like I would do naughty things with her, but I think that they have entertained kissing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I know straight girls who are the straightest of straight girls and they have seen a mask lesbian, or like our friend Heather, for example, who's very tomboyish, and they will drop their panties. It will happen, like let me tell you, it will happen. And but that's not to say that. And I think that this is the misconception, which can go back to the other question about stereotypes that lesbians, all lesbians, are like out to get these women, like we're out to turn these women out.
Speaker 2:Well, the younger ones I think are the hey mamas. That's cringe.
Speaker 1:I think the younger ones are Because I don't think of myself as like somebody who was ever out to like turn anybody out. I never approached anyone. I never, like you know, was an aggressor?
Speaker 2:I was never the aggressor.
Speaker 1:In the straight women category. Yeah, it just happened, though it was. They were the aggressors. Yeah, they were the ones that were like, oh you know, I never thought about it, or oh, maybe You're kind of cute, yeah, I like your hair and I was like what? And there's, oh, Anyway what's the next question?
Speaker 2:Can SA Media start a side hustle of delicious porn?
Speaker 1:Oh, is this porn that I'm in or porn that I'm making? It didn't specify.
Speaker 2:Oh, so I don't know.
Speaker 1:I mean would it matter Porn in my production company? I don't know, I don't think so, unless it's like my own personal porn. What if you were getting paid like top dollar, like big bucks, you know what? Maybe yeah.
Speaker 2:I think so. Yeah, why not? You know what, maybe? Yeah, I think so, yeah, why not, you would do something?
Speaker 1:strange for a little bit of change. Yeah, yeah, why not? Yeah, why?
Speaker 2:not. I don't judge F it Dating or having friendships, that where you have different religious or political views. Do you think those are sustainable?
Speaker 1:those are sustainable. I think that it is a tricky one because, especially in the climate that we are in today, it is a hard one because everybody is so divided to have friendships or relationships with people that have such vastly different political views, vastly different political views. Um, I think that if you're going into the relationship and you are two people who have vastly different political views or religious beliefs, um, um, I don't know, I don't know if it's something that you can work past unless you are both like willing to hear the other person out and just be. You know, like you don't bring politics into the relationship or you don't bring the religion into the relationship. But I think that's kind of impossible to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean if, especially if you're going to have children, right, it's like how are you going? To raise them Like what religion are they going to be?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Unless you're with someone who, like Fernanda's Catholic, I'm Muslim. I don't try to put my Muslim views on Mel, yeah, but when we do have our next child, they will be educated in both, and then they could choose which one they want, because I think that's important.
Speaker 1:As far as political views, why can't you have more than one religion?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Like who said I have to have only one religion.
Speaker 2:I think I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the answer to that, I'm just spiritual. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think. As far as like political views, I think that it was normal back then to have different ones because it was like there wasn't social media and it could it be easier not to talk about it, maybe. I mean, I don't know, you know not that, I don't know because I don't go through that. I just so I don't know, I don't know anyone that does either.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's different. Also, if you have, if, like you've been with this person for a long time and then they suddenly change their politics or they suddenly change their religion, then that's a different perspective and I guess line of questioning that needs to happen. But I think going into a fresh new relationship, that is something that becomes a lover of whatever political side you're on, and like that is your entire life, is this political side? And like you wear blue or red all day long you know what I mean and you're actively on social media. I don't think you should be dating Exactly. Then it's like all right, you know what you're getting yourself into. You're dating a fanatic yeah, I think either side you're getting yourself into. You're dating a fanatic yeah, I think either side you fall on Like whatever it is, you're dating a fanatic.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I think that if you're going into a relationship with somebody who doesn't have your same political or religious views and they are fanatics of either side, I think it's a hard one to make work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I also think that if you are spending your time upset I don't know if obsessing, but like only talking about that and that's like all that you do and you're in a relationship, but that's all that you do and there's nothing of substance, and you get angry all the time and so you're always in a bad mood and at the dinner table you're just angry about whatever you heard. That's pouring into the wrong cup. I think that some people it becomes too much because they, like you said, like become these fanatics. And one thing I've learned in the past five years is that people already have made up their mind. Whatever their mind is, you're not going to change it. So it's kind of like, let them. That's what they truly feel and believe. It's not affecting you.
Speaker 1:No, but I also don't want to date you.
Speaker 2:No, no, I'm not talking about the dating aspect. I'm talking about the fanatics who want to argue all day with strangers. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And when I mean all day, I mean I mean all day. You're kind of like, okay, like I get you're passionate, and I'm not taking that away from you. I'm not telling you, don't be passionate about that. I'm just saying save your sanity, put your effort into something else. That's what I mean. Then dating, I don't want to date you. I don't want you around me.
Speaker 1:I don't want to date you. I can't no.
Speaker 2:I can't, even if you're a fanatic that agrees with me.
Speaker 1:I was going to say even if we're on the same page, please spare me.
Speaker 2:I don't want that Because, at the end of the day, however, the coin is flipped. I have no control. I have no I, you know, I only can control how I react and what I do. Right, Like meaning let's say God forbid, God forbid. Tomorrow, they turn off all my, they turn off my bank account. Let's just say what can I do? All I can do to prepare for that is to have money in my shoebox and then go from there.
Speaker 1:We know where the money is, guys. It's in the shoeboxes. Good luck finding it. There's about 800 pairs of shoes.
Speaker 2:That's what I mean. It's like something like that. All I can do with any knowledge that I may think I have is to just prepare myself for that outcome. That may or may not happen. But, I don't want to be with someone that's a fanatic over, even if, like I said, if it's something that I agree with, like please, yeah.
Speaker 1:Would you be with a fanatic like of any kind, like somebody who's like I don't know, somebody who's like a crazy fan of a sports team?
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm a fanatic of the Lakers, but like what do you mean?
Speaker 1:No, but I mean like a fanatic. Like they paint their face Like they go full blown, 100% in it. They cannot miss a game or they cannot miss a major event. They spent all their money on that, Like whatever extra cash they have. That's what they want to do.
Speaker 2:I think there's a limit to that, because, yeah, no, because then that becomes, then you're more obsessed with that than you're obsessed with me, and that's the problem.
Speaker 1:That's the problem we hit a roadblock. No, there's nothing in my life that I could possibly be that crazy about, other than my friends and family.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Do you think it's because your friends and your family give back, whereas if you're a fanatic of, let's say, a sports team, it's not giving you anything back because it's giving you disappointment when they lose?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, that's what I'm saying. Like then they lose and you're like oh crap man, like people get devastated, they have like a bad day after that. No. And what I don't understand? Because you're a sports fanatic, you can explain this to me. What I don't understand is why do people go into full-blown rage after their teams win?
Speaker 2:What do you mean?
Speaker 1:Like, like like they start flipping. Oh, that I don't agree with Buses and setting shit on fire.
Speaker 2:I don't agree with that. Destroying their cities. I don't agree with that and I don't know why. Like, what's the logic I don't know with that and I don't know why. What's the logic? I don't know. And it happens in every city, every city, every city.
Speaker 1:It's not a just like LA, like LA Dodger thing, it's like they did it in Philly?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they do it everywhere. I don't know, I don't agree with that. That's so stupid, I don't get it. What's the purpose of that? Yeah, that I don't know. I'm not crazy like that.
Speaker 1:Like I, sometimes I think to myself, like when it's like a major sports event like that I go oh my God, I hope the home team doesn't win, because, yeah because of the chaos that comes with it, because of the chaos that comes with that.
Speaker 2:But it's not even a home team, like if the team was playing away Well, I mean my home team. Yeah, I get it because you don't want. Yeah, so that shit doesn't happen in my city. I don't know. Maybe we need to interview someone that has done that. Yeah, where, would you say, are the hottest lesbians At this table? That's a good one. You're clever. I have no idea. You have no idea. You have no idea.
Speaker 1:I don't think there's anything gay happening in this city anymore that I know of, other than, like the young, younger generation stuff. Maybe we need to interview somebody who can tell us yeah, I don't know, Listen. If you know where the gay scenes at, Let us know. Let us know and we'll bring you on the podcast. Yeah, please.
Speaker 2:OMG, this is. I'm reading it verbatim Okay, omg, what's up with girl on girl porn? Why is it always terrible?
Speaker 1:Oh, this is actually. You know, I agree.
Speaker 2:I don't watch porn.
Speaker 1:I agree, girl. I don't watch girl on girl. I don agree, I don't watch porn. I agree, girl, I don't watch Girl on Girl.
Speaker 2:I don't watch it.
Speaker 1:I don't watch Girl on Girl. I do watch porn from time to time, but I don't watch Girl on Girl. I know that there are other porn sites out now which I have not seen. Like I haven't what do you call it Subscribed to or not even subscribed, but like she hasn't explored them yet.
Speaker 2:I haven't explored.
Speaker 1:There are other porn sites I have not explored that are supposed to be more like ethical porn. Right, what the heck is an ethical porn site Meaning like in your typical porn, like Pornhub? Right, you have porn that is slightly unethical, like you have young girls?
Speaker 2:No, I don't even want to know.
Speaker 1:You know things like that that are more for the male gaze. It is a more male predominant porn site, right.
Speaker 1:Like they cater more to men. So I know that there have been other porn sites created for women and also for the LGBTQ community, who put out more. They call it ethical porn because it's consensual, it's. You know all of that and you make your own porn and it's whatever you want to see, you can see. I'm sure they have crazy fetish stuff too. If that's what you're into, I don't know because I haven't been on it. I know a lot of people actually go on, is it? I always get this wrong, don't ask me OnlyFans, yes, onlyfans.
Speaker 1:I got it right this time, that's probably taken over the first time I get it right. Onlyfans Go on, onlyfans to watch porn too. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I can't answer these questions, but I do think that girl-on-girl porn is not great, especially if you're watching it on one of those regular platforms, because they're all fake. They're not real lesbians having sex. They're just two women having sex for the male gaze and they do what men want to see. They don't actually have what real lesbian sex looks like, but it's just not. Not the same.
Speaker 2:It's not the same according to her. It's not, I don't think, because I, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1:So I'm saying you're the expert. I don't know, I don't like to watch it, but yeah, I haven't found a site. I also haven't been looking for a site, but I haven't found a site that I like. Could you guys know any sites that she'll?
Speaker 2:like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not to me, just to the viewers.
Speaker 2:We'll talk about it, we'll put it out, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1:On the next episode We'll talk about which sites you guys recommend that you can find good, decent girl on girl porn. Oh my goodness, you know a lot of straight women watch girl on girl porn.
Speaker 2:I'm sure?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a thing. Now, I know it's a thing, all right, so I think we're going to wrap this episode up. Yep, wrap it up, and we'll catch you guys on the next one Later. Booze Later booze.
Speaker 2:Oh, we missed. We missed my fist.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for listening to this episode of the let's say more podcast. If you can, please show your love and support by writing a review on apple podcast, rating us on spotify and, of course, spreading the word and sharing us with your community, we would greatly appreciate it. The let's say more podcast is produced by yours truly, solange aurelio and ava mozafari, and edited by myself as well, solange aurelio.
